Re: NEC-LIST: Zero-Q antenna

Hello,

I (quickly) reviewed the paper a few minutes ago, and I have two comments to
make:

First, I disagree with some of the premises of the paper especially the
concept of electron non-locality. Personally, I think that the
"non-locality of an electron" interpretation of quantum physics is based on
a fundamental misunderstanding of the uncertainty principle.

I say this, not to criticize the Craigs' paper, but because credibility as
an engineer requires that I acknowledge my bias against that theory.

That said, I did not see any obvious flaws in the methodology used in the
papers. Therefore, I suggest that the most useful comments would either be
directed to 1) discussing the assumptions used or 2) building an antenna and
measure the results.

When it comes to applied quantum theory, I generally want to see
*experimental* evidence. Opinions of "experts" who have never actually made
an antenna or conducted a relevant experiment are abundant, but
unpersuasive.

Side note: I generally try to be less "in your face" in my posts, and I
apologize in advance if my tone truly offends anyone.

However, I think that most of what has been written about quantum field
theory in the last 40 years is either wrong or conclusory (i.e. the facts
don't unequivocally point to the conclusion).

Even though I may disagree with the Grimes' assumptions, I think it would be
an error to dismiss their work based on the naked speculation.

Just my $0.02.

Michael Pender

----- Original Message -----
From: <alan.boswell_at_baesystems.com>
To: <esayre_at_nesa.com>; <alan.boswell_at_baesystems.com>;
<Edward.Altshuler_at_hanscom.af.mil>; <nec-list_at_gweep.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:59 AM
Subject: RE: NEC-LIST: Zero-Q antenna

> Edward
> Thank you for the reply. All replies so far have been negative towards
the
> Grimes & Grimes work. Is there anybody on the list who thinks their
results
> are right?
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Edward P. Sayre [mailto:esayre_at_nesa.com]
> Sent: 21 January 2003 17:02
> To: alan.boswell_at_baesystems.com; Edward.Altshuler_at_hanscom.af.mil;
> nec-list_at_gweep.ca
> Subject: RE: NEC-LIST: Zero-Q antenna
>
>
> Alan:
>
> I have to amplify what Ed Altschuler says. Harrington's work on Antenna Q
> and bandwidth proceeds from first principles and sets the relationships
> between bandwidth and Antenna Q. Zero Q antennas are physically and
> network theory based unrealizable elements.
>
> ed sayre
> ================================
>
> At 01:52 PM 1/21/2003 +0000, alan.boswell_at_baesystems.com wrote:
> >Ed
> >I am ready to believe what you say but it would be helpful if you could
> >summarise the main points of the Collin paper saying why you think the
> >Grimes papers are faulty.
> >Thanks
> >Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Altshuler Edward E Civ AFRL/SNHA
> >[mailto:Edward.Altshuler_at_hanscom.af.mil]
> >Sent: 21 January 2003 13:27
> >To: 'alan.boswell_at_baesystems.com'; ccc_at_space.mit.edu; nec-list_at_gweep.ca
> >Subject: RE: NEC-LIST: Zero-Q antenna
> >
> >
> >Dear Colleagues,
> >
> >Unfortunately the Grimes & Grimes papers are filed with misconceptions
and
> >errors that lead them to invalid results. For those who are interested I
> >refer you to an excellent paper by Prof. Robert E. Collin on "Minimum Q
of
> >Small Antennas," Journal of Electromagnetic Waves and Applications, Vol.
> 12,
> >1369-1393, 1998.
> >
> >Ed Altshuler
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: alan.boswell_at_baesystems.com [mailto:alan.boswell_at_baesystems.com]
> >Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 4:51 AM
> >To: ccc_at_space.mit.edu; nec-list_at_gweep.ca
> >Subject: RE: NEC-LIST: Zero-Q antenna
> >
> >
> >Chuck
> >Quote: An ensemble of four dipoles, two electric and two magnetic ones,
> one
> >of each type lying along each of the x- and y-axes. More details are
said
> >to be in the 2000 paper in MOT Letters. They say there is strong
> intermodal
> >coupling between the x-directed electric moment and the y-directed
magnetic
> >moment, and vice versa (I think that's questionable).
> >Alan
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Chuck Counselman [mailto:ccc_at_space.mit.edu]
> >Sent: 17 January 2003 18:05
> >To: alan.boswell_at_baesystems.com
> >Subject: Re: NEC-LIST: Zero-Q antenna
> >
> >At 2:01 PM +0000 1/17/03, alan.boswell_at_baesystems.com wrote:
> > >Has anyone seen / modelled / experimented with the "zero-Q antenna"
> > >proposed by Grimes et al in Microwave and Optical Technology
> > >Letters, vol. 28 no. 3, Feb. 5, 2001, also in vol. 27 pp. 53-58
> > >(2000)?
> >
> >I haven't; sorry; but I wish, and I bet others do, too, that you
> >would post a summary of what it is and how it works, to the list.
> >
> >Tnx -chuck.
> >
> >
> >
>
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